$CYLC_WORKFLOW_LOG_DIR points to log/scheduler instead of just log

[MetRonnie]

A quirk is that this points to

cylc-flow/cylc/flow/etc/job.sh

Line 73 in 08ab96c

export CYLC_WORKFLOW_LOG_DIR="${CYLC_WORKFLOW_RUN_DIR}/log/scheduler"

rather than just ${$CYLC_WORKFLOW_RUN_DIR}/log.

From examination of the blame, this is due to it changing from

1. CYLC_SUITE_LOG_DIR="${CYLC_SUITE_RUN_DIR}/log/suite" (Cylc 7)
2. CYLC_WORKFLOW_LOG_DIR="${CYLC_WORKFLOW_RUN_DIR}/log/workflow" (Cylc 8 beta)
3. CYLC_WORKFLOW_LOG_DIR="${CYLC_WORKFLOW_RUN_DIR}/log/scheduler" (Cylc 8)

Also, this env var is undocumented: cylc-doc issue opened for it: cylc/cylc-doc#779

Question: are we going to do anything about this? Edit: main proposal is to rename it to CYLC_SCHEDULER_LOG_DIR and make CYLC_WORKFLOW_LOG_DIR deprecated with a warning, and add/update a cylc lint rule for this.

[hjoliver]

Historically, I suspect this reflects the distinction between "workflow log" (i.e. scheduler log) vs "job logs". But I can't think why jobs should need to know the scheduler log location.

[MetRonnie]

Changing it to point at the main log directory could break some workflows unfortunately (though it wouldn't hurt to do a grep on site to get some numbers). So maybe we could just rename it to CYLC_SCHEDULER_LOG_DIR and make CYLC_WORKFLOW_LOG_DIR deprecated with a warning, add a cylc lint rule etc.

[oliver-sanders]

I don't see this as a problem/quirk the "workflow log" environment variable points at the directory where we store the "workflow's log files", seems legit right? The distinction between job logs and workflow logs seems reasonable.

If you would like an env var pointing at the root log dir, that could be done, but what for?

[MetRonnie]

I think most users would expect CYLC_WORKFLOW_LOG_DIR to be CYLC_WORKFLOW_ID/log, which would be consistent with CYLC_WORKFLOW_SHARE_DIR and CYLC_WORKFLOW_WORK_DIR. This tripped up both Kerry and me yesterday

Now, we don't necessarily need one that points to the root log dir (although I guess you could argue the same for work or share), but I think the one that points to the scheduler log dir should be named as such.

[oliver-sanders]

We can spin that both ways, I think most users would expect to find the workflow logs in the workflow log dir?

Either way, probs not concerning enough to change?

[hjoliver]

We could resolve the ambiguity like this:

• CYLC_WORKLFOW_LOG_DIR = $CYLC_WORKFLOW_ID/log
• CYLC_SCHEDULER_LOG_DIR = $CYLC_WORKFLOW_ID/log/scheduler
  • and/or CYLC_WORKFLOW_SCHEDULER_LOG_DIR = ditto
• CYLC_WORKFLOW_JOB_LOG_DIR = $CYLC_WORKFLOW_ID/log/job

Rationale: the "workflow" has a scheduler log and job logs.

Or (simpler) only:

• CYLC_WORKLFOW_LOG_DIR = $CYLC_WORKFLOW_ID/log

Rationale: as above, but let users add "job" or "scheduler" as needed.

I'd be in favour of doing this. If we leave small ambiguities and inconsistencies as-is they eventually accumulate and make a bad smell.

Of course we have to trade off with the damage caused by breaking changes. But in this case I highly doubt anyone is using WORKFLOW_LOG_DIR as it currently is, in job environments. ... especially as, as @MetRonnie noted above, it's not even documented.

[hjoliver]

(Note the variable appears 23 times in our tests.)

[MetRonnie]

Got a grep on site running for a while, still no results, may leave it overnight